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Old 05-22-2008, 09:12 AM
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The problem is that all the rules and regulations that state what is legal and proper don't line up with what is right and humane.

The "necessary tools" for training (chains and bullhooks) aren't necessary at all in the grand scheme. For training - Yes; which will in turn, bring spectators in. For the welfare of man and beast - not at all.

The track record of RBB&B can be argued forever. Staunch supporters are going to see no wrong and buy into the settlements made to avoid actual rulings against them and say they've done well.
Opponents are going to see the things the other way and try and put every aspect of the group on condemnation.

I can't think of anyone (with an actual IQ that can be rated) that would "prefer that they get released to the wild and die," but there are other many other options. (preferably not the RBB&B "sanctuary" - imo)

I'm not a "PETA Type" but have been for removing elephants (and other animals) from circuses for years. Another problem here is that alot of people don't like PETA, and lump all animal rights advocate groups in with them and ignore facts because they view all of them as fanatics because they don't agree with their views. Many times evidence is dismissed as propoganda because of the bias connected with these groups. They do come up with good information at times that should not be ingored simply because they are the source as many people (not associated with PETA) will report cases of abuse to them so that they can pursue the investigation due to their resources.

Humans in general need to learn the differences between ownership and stewardship in regards to many things in life - animals included.

Links for the other side of the argument:

Elephant Mistreatment At Ringling Brothers

Ringling Brothers Will Stand Trial for Elephant Abuse | The Humane Society of the United States

The Elephant Sanctuary, Hohenwald, Tennessee
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