I was wondering how you all handle the "bah-humbugs"
from people regarding your church's clown ministry? One man got up and walked out and made his wife leave with him. He really is a nice man. Guess he doesn't like clowns? Do we ignore him and hope God opens his heart to the possibilities a clown ministry has to offer?

~~Mercy Me~~

I'll answer my own question. ;-) Our little clown group prayed before graduation and asked God to open the hearts of those who weren't open about this ministry. So that is all we can do. We are here to please God not man. :-)

I agree, MercyMe. You can't do more than pray and hope the person or persons will have their hearts touched by your persistence and love. That's what it's all about anyway, is God's love.
Hey, I'm new to this site. I'm in Northern Virginia near Washington, DC. Where are you, in general?
Sharone - RainbowBrite

I sometimes just hit them with the props. It seems to cause me some Christian ethical dilemmas, but Satan gets in me, and I can't help myself.

I'm in Missouri. I'm new to clowning also. In fact, the clown ministry at our church is brand new! It's call Clown for the Cross. We are all so excited.

Before our graduation we prayed God would open the hearts of those that didn't approve. That's all we can do.

RainbowBrite, I think you will enjoy this forum. I haven't been a member long but I've picked up some good info. Have fun clowning! :lol:

Thanks, MercyMe. What's interesting is that my mother's family is in the Springfield area of Missouri, so we have that in common too. Grin.
Also, I am going to be going to a Clowning for Christ conference on May 14th and 15th here in VA. I'm so excited. It's my first conference! If you haven't heard of this organization, it's at www.clowning4christ.com and they are having conferences all over. I believe there's one in St. Louis.
Sharone ;-)

Southern Missouri is beautiful! Springfield would be great for a clown ministry because of all the colleges and universities. Is your mom interested in becoming a clown? ;-)

You'll have to let me know how the conference goes. It would be so cool if our little group of clowns could make it to a conference.

Sharone, do you mind if I email you privately? My name is Molly. No spam or anything questionable, promise! :-D I'd love to talk with you more about your signing. If it isn't okay just let me know.

Absolutely, Molly. Please do email me.
Sharone - Rainbow Brite

OF COURSE NOT! It is looked down on by many. But we do it anyway. (Just not at our church much!)-Binky

It is a shame, isn't it, Binky. It takes a lot of courage to put on outrageous makeup and costumes to have a new venue for proclaiming the Word of God.

I did find out after our clown graduation and skits that it was well received. A lot of people liked it. They said it wasn't what they thought. I don't know what they thought we would be doing, but we obviously impressed them.

I'm ready for our next gig!! I can hardly wait to visit a nursing home or children's home or another church. We all had so much fun!!

Keep clowning, Binky! I just know God loves a clown!!!

I remember a year ago, on Good Friday, we did what is referred to as a "clown communion".
It is extremely moving, but it's hard to grasp the concept because it starts off with two clowns being somewhat silly and then it gets serious about what Christ did for us on the cross. One of our parishoners left because he felt it was inappropriate. He was really upset. I understand his heart wasn't to be mean or judgemental, he just didn't get it.
Rainbow Brite

There conferences are great and they also put out a magazine called 'The Cross and the Clown" it give great info and you get to more about others in the field

We're lucky, our supports our group and pay for yearly worshops/conferences, but we only perform at our church about twice a year. We use it more for out reach mission, ie back yard bible studies or any cumminty event that invites us. If any don't approve atleast they don't tell me....

Sapphire Sue,
Thanks. Yes, I subscribed to the magazine because they had a special rate on the conference if you did so. I'm excited to be going! It's so awesome.
Rainbow Brite

Hi,
I just got an e-mail from a clown that I was trying to network with. When she found out I was a Gospel Clown, she blew up. Her E-mail was very hurtful.
My question is, have any of you had problems with other (regular) clowns not accepting you as a gospel clown?

Merry Heart

I have never had any negative comments or experiences with any other clowns when it comes to my Christian Clowning. In fact, many times the secular clowns that I know and correspond with are excited that we carry on the clowning tradition while ministering to others. In a way we are all ministering to others while clowning, whether we intend to present the Lord's message or simply entertain for the enjoyment of others. My question would be what the other clown that you were talking to was so defensive or afraid of. Are you automatically without a sense of humor or to be devoid of fun if you are a believer. Sounds as if the other person has some things to work out. Hope this helps , May God Bless and Keeeeeeeeeeeeeeep Christian Clownin, tug

Dear Merry,

I believe the objection lies in the idea that groups of people know for having no resepct or feeling for the original belief system of others.

Missionary activity is something that makes people with other cultures and beliefs systems uncomfortable. Missionaries in human history are well known for putitng their own belifs forth at the expense of the cultures they come into contact with,.. often destroying them utterly and intentionally.

(look at the native hawaii's and native american tribes in American history alone)

SO when people start talking about using their clowning to minister to children it smacks loudly and somewhat offensively of propoganda. It comes across as people trying to convert your children behind your back.

And I'm sure all of the people here who have children would take offence to find out that their children were being taught that their beleif system was incorrect and that they should actually be scientologists or shiite muslims behind their parents backs.

Tha is one of the main causes of offence that MANY MANY people take.
And to have people start veiwing all clowns this way is somehitng that makes the other clowns uncomfortable.

There seems to be a real push in american clowning to dirve out allclowns that don't fit into a certain very small and mundane category. Especially any that don't jibe well with the christian mythos and some of it's tennets.

Also the attitude that those of us who do not believe in ministration through clowning are inherently wrong for doing things that don't fit into your beliefs is very off putting.

So it is a matter of unclear motivations and a history off shady behavior that make others take umbrage at the idea of people teaching gospel to children under the guise of clowning.


That and the attitude that ministry clowns take towards those who clown for anyone other than just little kids are what make other clowns (a few I know personally) and manymany normal peopel outside of the clowning community uncomfortable and very much distrusting of your actions.

I hope that clarifys things slightly and that with this knownledge you might be better able to bridge those gaps that pop up in this community.

Love and Puddles,
Inky Bobo,
(Loyal Sidekick)

I think there may be some confusion here. It is not other clowns who frown on clown ministry. It is non-clown congregation members. They feel that clowns have no place in the church and cannot convey the gospel like a pastor would. The "silly factor" of clowning, I believe, makes them feel that clowns cannot present a "serious" message.

Good point, Binky.
I will say that I feel people need to take the gospel serious and ourselves a lot less seriously!! That's part of the problem with people feeling that clowning as a ministry can't possibly be effective. They take themselves and their religion too seriously.
A clown at the conference I went to explained it well... She said that when we make people laugh first, we get their attention and their hearts are more open to hear the serious things of God. Why do we think that pastors use humor so much?
Sharone - Rainbow Brite

To Mercy Me;

you gotta understand that I've never done church or Christian clowning and I've seen very little of it, but I'd say stick to your guns, don't give up or get discouraged: to some no explaination is necessary-to others no explaination will do (paraphrased from Dr. Howard Hendricks-Dallas Theological Seminary).


Walmoe (Lloyd Williams)
Las Vegas, Nevada

Thank you everyone for your uplifting comments and advice. After our graduation and four short skits, we received many positive comments from members. It seems they just didn't know what to expect, but were very impressed with everything. From our "professional" costumes and makeup to the skits themselves. We were so happy (relieved) to have been so well received.

~~Mercy Me~~
AKA Molly

From time to time if we remain in any Christian Ministry we will meet rejection from other Christians. Being a clown means being larger than life so we must expect reactions from others to be larger too. Always remember compassion for the feelings of others must radiate our ministry.

Facing rejection from other Christians is always hard and if God has called you to clowning do not give up. However we do need to be sensitive to the needs of others. When I started out I was able to make a compromise with a hostile lady in my Church and gave up using illusions (which was going to be my main clown skill at the time). It was a costly sacrifice at the time but the lady in question is now regularly calling me in to do puppetry and clowning for the kids work she leads. She has even made donations to the ministry!

People often have strong emotions attached to their viewpoints. Clown ministry connects people to their emotions and will often cause people to react strongly to stimulous brought about by clowns. If we allow ourselves to be sucked into the trap of reacting back or ignoring peoples feelings then we are not reflecting the love of Christ and our ministry is damaged as a result.

Compassion is the root of all christian ministry. Compassion for the lost and hurting people in our church and in the community should be our driving force. Yes we should continue in God's calling, but we also need to listen to hear the root of peoples objections. Sometimes a change of direction in responce to objections can help others to find healing.

I performed in a Christian Performing Arts Troupe in college called WINGS. Part of our program was Clown Communion. We NEVER got a negative response--Praise God. It's a difficult approach because you kind of have to step out of your 'comfort zone' for a few...but I think the visual aspect-the bread, the spike, the babyblanket--really brings it home for a lot of people. There was never a dry eye in the house.

We had to practice a lot to pull it off--when to be silly and when to be spiritually. But, with practice, my partner, Canoeshoes, and I pulled it off beautifully :wink:

Wherever you go and whatever your ministry sooner or later someone will react negatively. Often they will direct their anger at you but the reality is that it is their own problem surfacing. Sometimes it is the medium you are using but when the Gospel is involved the message itself is usually what they react to.

Anyone sharing God's love by sharing the Gospel will meet rejection at some point. For us clowns we can find ourselves rejected by the church because we do things differently and rejected outside the church because of our Chirstian message. All we can do is to Pray and ask God to help us deal with our own pain, forgive them and for God to gently lead them to their next step toward Him. Apart from that we also need to press on toward the Goal that God has placed before us.

I visited a church this morning when I was shocked to see a picture of two clowns and a caption under the picture said "Church Clowns Are The Devils Minions! I was so crushed I got up and left. What would possess a church to say such a thing?

I visited a church this morning when I was shocked to see a picture of two clowns and a caption under the picture said "Church Clowns Are The Devils Minions! I was so crushed I got up and left. What would possess a church to say such a thing?

Ignorance and Apathy...

They neither know or care. I find clowning no where in the Bible. Our Church doesn't have a clown ministry just me. I don't condemn a church for not either having one or not.
But I think Paul hit the nail on the head when he said" I am made all things to all people, so by all possible means, I might save some." I Corinthians 9:22
If you can reach people with the Gospel as a clown go for it Some of the most dedicated Christians I have ever met would not pass muster with a lot of churches. God is a judge of the heart. Don't let this chuch's attitude about clowning spoil your desire to express Christ's love through clowning.

I visited a church this morning when I was shocked to see a picture of two clowns and a caption under the picture said "Church Clowns Are The Devils Minions! I was so crushed I got up and left. What would possess a church to say such a thing?

I beleive fear is most probably the root cause for the church you mention. When a person has grown up with things being done in certain ways they are so comfortable that change of any kind is very scary. The growth of clowning and puppetry (which also gets resistance) as a communication medium in churches brings out a fear reaction. By making strong statements like the one you mentioned people feel they can continue in the safety of their comfort zone without having to face their fear of change.

I'm sorry to hear that you were hurt by this church but I would encourage you to pray for them. Depending on how much you were hurt it may require forgiveness on your part, but pray that God blesses them and gently encourages them to experiment with new ways of doing things.

[I find clowning no where in the Bible.

You will not find the word clown in the Bible but Paul did write about us being Fools for Christ and the foolishness of the Gospel. In fact Jesus himself said we should become like little children. (the inner child ring any bells?) Hey guy's come to think of it, the words Trinity, and Evangelical are not in the Bible either!

I know you are a believer Scruffy and this is not intended to offend you or anyone else. I just want to point out that we should not get too tied up with specifics. That is one of the things Jesus rebuked the Sanhedrin for. To find out if something is scriptural or not requires a close look at the spirit in which it ministers. If the motive is pure and gentle, the action is clean and wholesome and is done in obedience to God, then the ministry is an acceptable act from God's viewpont.

I completely agree, Gilbert. I was speaking purely from a technical point. But, Any way you are absolutely correct. I will gladly be a fool for Christ's sake any day of the week. The same child like faith nescessary to accept Christ is the same child like faith to keep believing in clowns :D

I agree with both of you. Ever notice how difficult it is to change any thing when thing have a certain tradition. I'm also the Music Director, and getting them to do more modern music has been an ongoing tial. Greatfully, our pastor is 100% behind anything we try and has been to all our clown events. He just started this Past June. Our other retired after 18 yrs.

what a great way to put it gilbert i totaly agree with you and scruffy to be a fool for Christ is a joyous thing indeed.

I agree with both of you. Ever notice how difficult it is to change any thing when thing have a certain tradition. I'm also the Music Director, and getting them to do more modern music has been an ongoing tial. Greatfully, our pastor is 100% behind anything we try and has been to all our clown events. He just started this Past June. Our other retired after 18 yrs.

Keep pushing through Sue! I'll be praying for you. You may find it helpful to select modern songs that are scripture quotes. It will help undermine your critics :wink: You would have loved our version of Amaising grace we had this Sunday (Cowboy clowns will especially love this one) Our music team put the words to the tune of 'House of the rising sun'. I thought it was a stroke of genious realising the words would fit the mitre perfectly.

Amazing grace sounds great to the Eagles, Peaceful easy feelin' The gospel group I play with does that one.

Cool, I think I'll suggest it to our worship team.

I'll give it a try, but my two musician panic prettty easily, I've finailly got them to agree to look at some new sheet music. They're just scared and the younger crown loves and want music with a good beat, don't get me wrong the old stuff is good and at time more approp, but you need the new to draw in the 18-35 age group. Although we've been clowning for over 6 years now I stll don't think many of the people understood until our Ministry night, the older ones seem to think this is just for kids.

I stll don't think many of the people understood until our Ministry night, the older ones seem to think this is just for kids.

Common problem Sue, I still have some people at my church who struggle with the concept of clowns and/or puppets for adults.

Do youthink it is a generational issue gilbert? The people of our generation seem to be more keen to such things, whereas, the older generation isn't. I have noticed that kind of things meself.

i have noticed that myself scruffy when it comes to new ways to do things in the church there is always or at least most of the time some kind of opposition.

What I mean is, people of my age, 40 and younger, grew up watching puppets, Beanie and Cecil, Kookla, fran, and ollie, Sesame Street, Mr. Rogers neighbourhood, Bozo the clown, Captain kangaroo (Who was the original Klarabell the Clown), Howdy doodey, We are used to seeing such Character in teaching roles, not merely entertaining.

That could very well be part of it, You Know the older generation didn't have TV to watch, also people get set in their ways and change is always difficult if it's not faced with a willing heart.

yes thats a good point we seem to have come into the picture from around 1960 that alot of those great characters came out i was born in 65 so was right in the middle of it myself. we have seen some of the greats in our generation wish some of them where still around.

.... We have seen some of the greats in our generation wish some of them where still around.

Here here! I whole heartedly agree. Most, almost all of the great clowns died years ago. Felix Adler died in 1960,Paul Jung in 1965, Otto Griebling in 1972, Emmett Kelly Sr. in 1979, Bobby Kaye and Frankie Saulto in 1982, Price Paul in 1987,Lou Jacobs in 1992, Ernie Burch in 1997... You get my point. These are Just the Circus Clowns.We lost Bob Keeshan this year, The just keep going, and frankly, the new comedians as funny as they are, just tend to turn me off. You don't need to use Filthy language to be funny.

im with you on that scruffy i dont tend to listin to them if there acts are full of filth. i still listen to the old cosby and red skelton stuff and laugh as hard as i did then.

Amazing grace sounds great to the Eagles, Peaceful easy feelin' The gospel group I play with does that one

And if you do it right, you can keep the chorus almost intact from Peaceful Easy feeling and it sounds awesome.

I visited a church this morning when I was shocked to see a picture of two clowns and a caption under the picture said "Church Clowns Are The Devils Minions! I was so crushed I got up and left. What would possess a church to say such a thing?

That is sad. I remember a few weeks ago there was an article in Charisma magazine about gospel magicians. Several people wrote in to complain that magic was a sin. I thought that was dumb, but I never tell anyone anything except that it is an illuision. Its not witchcraft - its a special effect.

When I read this though, I thanked the Lord for having the support I do. At my church, as you walk into the chiuldren's wing, there is a picture of two clowns - me, and my wife - for everyone to see. We are the only non-children pictured in the whole wing.

The strongest argument against the use of illusions I have ever encountered is that someone once raised the issue that in their opinion 'Illusions are a form of deception'. My argument against that is that Illusions are not deceptions because they rely on people to enter into the so called deception by their own choice. It is much the same as what happens with a well told story. Illusions are in this context merely another form of play.

Having been involved with witchcraft (before I repented) I can categorically say that Illusions and the casting of 'spells', 'curses' and 'spiritual healing' are not the same thing. While they both use the term 'magic' to refer to their works, the two forms are in fact very different. I must note here that many illusionists and many witches prefer to aviod using the term 'magic' nowadays.

I must add here that all forms of witchcraft regardless of how they describe themselves are based on the same deceiving spiritual entities. Any appearence of power and effect are in fact deceptions. There is not room here to explain things more clearly but if any reader is finding themselves drawn to any form of 'New Age' practices, I will be glad to explain this in more detail.

As i stated before, I've only seen a small amount of gospel clowning and (unfortunatly) haven't done any but I have an observation or two.
PERHAPS , in the area of worship services there MAY be a limit to what is appropriate for a clown to be involved.Almost every area I've noticed the gospel clown (child evangelism, V.B.S,
Sunday school openings) I've noticed that the clown is a love object, one to whom certain people (especially children) can relate whereas perhaps not a pastor. so the clown is the conduit between God and the individual wheather it's in a large congregation venue or one-to-one, or small groups. He, or she might have an outrageous appearance and create happiness, but also be seen as gentle and sensitive, and the good news is communicated through this personality, THIS is the uniqueness of the gospel clown- a love object.

Lloyd Williams
Wilmoe (formerly Walmoe)

great insight, Walmoe.

Now this is my kind of topic...and an important one at that! Being part of the Christian right myself, I have talked to like-type individuals in the church about very similiar circumstances. Many are traditionalists that feel clowns in the ministry is yet another altering of the morality in this country. Now before anyone gets in a tizzy, we all (here at clown forum) know the purpose of the ministry clowns is 100% heartfelt and sincere. But some I have talked to, feel that the church needs to stay straight in its course, and clowning can give the wrong message...sort of like having to entice the younger generation, making church more entertaining just to keep their attention span. Say like those X-box and Nintendo games that we let our kids self-absorb and fester in! This unfortunately, is another by-product of the bigger picture and how our modern culture continues to accept...even embrace determental TV programming. Ever really examine each commercial you see day in and day out? I have a test for anyone who has extended cable. Watch 10 or 15 commercials on regular TV and right a brief synopis on what it was really about, but yet how it was projected to you. Then if any of you have the Hallmark channel, watch 10 or 15 of their commercials. YOU WILL UNDERSTAND IMMDEIATELY WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT! Sorry, back to the topic at hand...

Now why I must say personally to all Clown Ministries...GO FOR IT, I too can see many who feel it may undermine the seriousness of what they hope to convey to their children. Some ex-alcoholics can go as far as pick up a drink and smell it without any problem, while others cannot even walk within sight of the liquor department at the grocery store. What I mean to say is you have to respect where the other is coming from when you see they have a rightful conviction in their ideals of the church. The BEST IDEA, is to try to establish a church committee or group, that includes all parties and opinions, that can meet offsite and discuss the pro and cons od Clown Ministry for your particular church.

Again, this is a great topic with very well thought responses!!!

That’s it I give up I am going to go to church with my clown and do a church ministry for them , If the Beast can do it so can I ……. But I am founding out now they don’t pay for this, (sadness) the people pay you I am thinking …. So the goal will be do it and see how much cash I can squeeze for my ministry in hidden charges… So making up a list of how too’s and there are a lot of churches here so will go after the Christians on Sunday, and Jewish churches on sat….. So sat I will be Jewish, Sunday I will be Christian Monday and Tuesday New age Wednesday, Jehovah Witness, Fri I will try Moslem, so this will be truly a great ministry….. Probably will have to get some help from the different churches on best way to do this any ideas guys in best way to get my ministry working and self sustaining…… Thanks

It's all about what else you can sell at these shows, Nevada. Religious trinkets, I tell ya. Medals which appear magically, for instance, should be a great hit.

Man, I miss Red Clown Fred.

Ya thanks Tim….. That’s the ticket, could be the million dollar idea ( Tim you Just wrote yourself up for 7% ) And I can tell the parents that God told me if they don’t buy these trinkets, its bad enough for them in their own afterlife but now they are playing with there children’s afterlife, so that’s why they should buy from the clown…. Can have one Medal that will extend there life and ward off accidents and bullets, I will call that the LAB medal, for 20.00 you can be one of the oldest people in the world, TV commercials can get the Americans to buy these and send to 3rd world country so they wont feel bad ….. Thank YOU and God Thanks you, he told me so

We are here to please God not man. :-)


I like that. Amen.

Ya thanks Tim….. That’s the ticket, could be the million dollar idea ( Tim you Just wrote yourself up for 7% ) And I can tell the parents that God told me if they don’t buy these trinkets, its bad enough for them in their own afterlife but now they are playing with there children’s afterlife, so that’s why they should buy from the clown…. Can have one Medal that will extend there life and ward off accidents and bullets, I will call that the LAB medal, for 20.00 you can be one of the oldest people in the world, TV commercials can get the Americans to buy these and send to 3rd world country so they wont feel bad ….. Thank YOU and God Thanks you, he told me so

With the angle you have going of working all faiths (and atheists, also?), you can easily keep the business profitable. One day you sell off God, the next day Gaia. On Wednesday, Jehovah, and a tip of the comically colorful yarmulke to Yahweh every other Sabbath.

Don't forget: Catholics and Pagans are both into Motherhood. So you can split the baby Jesus - then it's trinkets and tchotchkes for everyone all around the earth.

Really, when there's money to be made, who the hell cares?

In deed …. This is endless can probably with correct marketing take it beyond clown, but a spokesmen that is well known is a must….

In deed …. This is endless can probably with correct marketing take it beyond clown, but a spokesmen that is well known is a must….


I nominate Beelzebub. EVERYBODY knows him!

Most certainly, that will be a clowning ministry which is "looked down upon."

I know the person in which I would elect, But Been years since I seen him, All I know he had a clowning style that I loved and seen greatness from, A place I spent a year at Santa Cruise Calif…….
About 5”5’ Red hair balding clown, great clown, but the only problem was the Christians did not find the humor and wisdom in his down to earth persona….
I was a little worried about him when he made it to WRCA in Laughlin, Not about his clowning he was really different and unique, But you know what happened, some of the holeyer then thou clowns, seen him smoking some pot and wanted to get him thrown out of regional and asked me to bestow the ultimatum to him since I was one of the people he looked up too, and bounded with……
This guy would be right up there with Billy Graham or Paul Stanley with the way he chooses his words, and stage skill and movement is pretty darn good also….lost touch with him and that is sad......
Talked to my Friend in Berkley, he said he worked the Special Olympics in China with a couple of kids and he, seen him consoling a kid in the hurtle race that during the race after third hurtle the special Olympian was chewing on the hurtle for 10 min…..
Was told that he is one of the Main people for 2010 Winter Special Olympics in Vancouver with his squad, I sure hope he trains these kids to set down in Bobsled, sledding down off mountain, I can just picture the same kid coming off mountain and standing up to wave at spectators during competition and getting slammed into the tunnel, oh that would hurt…. I will try to locate him

Was told that he is one of the Main people for 2010 Winter Special Olympics in Vancouver with his squad, I sure hope he trains these kids to set down in Bobsled, sledding down off mountain, I can just picture the same kid coming off mountain and standing up to wave at spectators during competition and getting slammed into the tunnel, oh that would hurt…. I will try to locate him
The man you're talking about is he a SOFA KING?

I get and understand Sofa King, but I would bet Barry, Tim, and Fritz, unfamiliar of what the Meaning in which we understand Sofa King, if they ask I will tell them…. So Beast our you going to be on my ministry team

It's pretty sad that even in the church there are people who don't like clowns who are spreading the word of God. At the Mission Basillica in San Juan Capistrano, I try not to go in clown if I have worked that Sunday and I can't make it to church because of it. I did go once or twice when I had no other choice. One of those times was when my youngest daughter was getting confirmed and I didn't want to miss it so I went right after I got off of a job and ended up standing next to the kids as they lined up to go in. The priests were also lining up with the teens and one in particular, Father Michael, kept eyeballing me. He never said a word, but he never smiled at me either. I went into the church and stood in the back. It's funny how several of the parents encouraged their little ones to come and talk to me knowing there was a ceremony going on...lol....

What does confirmed mean ? I used to be a confirmed bachelor..then I got married and my wife wanted to have me committed...and now that I am old my present wife wants me condemned. I'm a pro that keeps getting conned. The Beast

PS: Nevada..I'm with you man...you do your thing and I'll hold the collection plate.

Ahhhh I get it (I think), you are a committed ex bachelor who is a condemned old husband who is a pro at getting conned... and this is a true confirmation on your part who plans to run off with the collection plate....

Ya Beast I think my kid is having issues right now, he does not know what religion he is at this time since we have been changing 5 times a week, so I know that’s got him…..
and he is still crying ever since we answered his questions, about the pic’s we did a few years ago when me and wife barrowed some boy child and took family photos and put the pic’s around the house, now the little one is asking about him and we just tell him, he was his older brother, and didn’t pay attention to us and past away…..
And we got him buried in back yard that’s why the head stone is there in backyard, and that’s why you cant have a dog either because we don’t want him to dig up the grave and chewing on the bones……
Just want to get my share Beast, because I think this kid of mine needs some therapy….. Caught him in backyard talking to grave stone, and being the good Dad I am, just told him we tried to teach him but he just did not listen and now we have you ……

I told you........Didn't I tell you NOT to mark the grave. Now tell me who buries loved one in their own back yards....NOBODY...you bury them in the neighbors yard. Remember when that little old lady was putting in a new tullip bed next door ...didn't I tell you then to bury the boy in the flower bed. Oh no you got a better idea. Now he will be chanting and lighting candles and laying out pamplets around the stone. If it gets too bad there may have to be a family re-union for the boys. ;) The Beast